From: CORWYN To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/13/90 05:36:07 Message Number 9601 The only good solution to flag burning is to require permits. At ten bucks a shot, let anyone who feels like it burn a flag. Whe really cares. If you do you don't understand that this country's ideal is free- dom, and that includes the right to burn a silly piece of nylon if it happens to make a point. The flag is nothing sacred, and burning it does nothing terrible to our country. Freedom is sacred, and regulating it out of existence could very well destroy it. I hope we still have some people who believe in ideas, not nylon. Now I have an idea.. burn the conservatives!!!, the KKK, the Nazi party, and... whoops, those are parts of our community exercising their right to hold their own beliefs, however much they suck. The flagburners.. they just might be maintianing our democracy, no government is perfect, therefore every government must be challenged. Call me when you're ready for Poly-Sci 102.. There are two kinds of fool: One says, "This is old and therefore good." One says, "This is new, and therefore better." Keep an open mind. - Corwyn =========== From: CORWYN To: TURTLE Subject: Altr/Rlty Date & Time: 10/13/90 05:46:47 Message Number 9602 I know.. I just can't stand people who are intolerant.. they make me so mad, I want to bash them. (he hee) (In case you didn't understand.. that was a lame attempt at humor) =========== From: CORWYN To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/13/90 05:49:24 Message Number 9603 As long as people are writing.. they like you.. you give them something to write about.. Take your message about flag burners. You expressed your small minded ignorant viewpoint, giving me a perfect setup to explain my enlightened views of the world to the masses. - A humble Lord Corwyn =========== From: SPELLWIND To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/13/90 12:06:29 Message Number 9604 Gee....did we forget this is HOW many CENTURIES into the future? And real people today aren't starship captains who should have a steady command phrase like Make is so or Engage... =========== From: SPELLWIND To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: curr affa Date & Time: 10/13/90 12:09:20 Message Number 9605 SS>Dog got that 900 number... Well, his master probably taught him for David Letterman, or Current Affair... =========== From: SPELLWIND To: BEATLE Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/13/90 12:11:02 Message Number 9606 AAArrrgghh! I HATE that STUPID show. The problem isn't that it makes no sense, it's that it makes sense wrongly. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: BEATLE Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/13/90 12:12:58 Message Number 9607 Which is exactly why they don't like it. They want to sit on their asses and let the police take care of it. I wouldn't burn it (As MMA ) (says, the nylon stinks!) but The Freedom Principle is the deal here. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: BEATLE Subject: stuff Date & Time: 10/13/90 12:17:27 Message Number 9608 How much for both 1 and 2....? =========== From: SPELLWIND To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: curr affa Date & Time: 10/13/90 12:18:16 Message Number 9609 You: Bash the Homos (tm) I've got a new one...... Bash the Christians (tm) =========== From: SPELLWIND To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: ST:TNG Date & Time: 10/13/90 12:21:28 Message Number 9610 Bash the Christians (tm) =========== From: SPELLWIND To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Star Trek Date & Time: 10/13/90 12:23:57 Message Number 9611 Actually, that episode was written to be anti-hippie... =========== From: SPELLWIND To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: ST:TNG Date & Time: 10/13/90 12:25:44 Message Number 9612 SS> Two new sworn enemies.... Not true! I don't think there are any enemies on this board. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: CORWYN Subject: Altr/Rlty Date & Time: 10/13/90 12:35:00 Message Number 9613 !!!!!!!!!!!!!:| When you comin' back and putting your BBS back up? =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: RAVEN Subject: Survival in BBS Date & Time: 10/13/90 13:10:08 Message Number 9614 R> ...what's your point? I'm getting mauled to death by these users, and I'm brand new at this. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: CORWYN Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/13/90 13:13:15 Message Number 9615 C> Keep an open mind. I try to, if you have read my reply to the messages, I said that I would give Star Trek the Next Genereation a second chance. BTW< what is Poly-Sci 102? =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: CORWYN Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/13/90 13:16:12 Message Number 9616 C> small minded igrorant viewpoint...... c> ... A humble Lord Corwyn I would ahrdly call you humble (your enlighted views). PLEASE Give me a break. And another thing I am /not/ small minded!! People who think they're enlightened usually, in actuallity, are very self-opinioned, and small minded. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SPELLWIND Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/13/90 13:20:19 Message Number 9617 Really Spellwind, you must have a dizzying intellect and a very keen sense of the obvious!! =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SPELLWIND Subject: dogs on TV Date & Time: 10/13/90 13:21:44 Message Number 9618 My favorite dog is the one that can talk. (From the Little Ceasar commercials) "RI WOVE ROU" =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SPELLWIND Subject: ST:TNG Date & Time: 10/13/90 13:23:57 Message Number 9619 > Two new sworn enemies. Probably but now I have someone new to argue with.(hehehe) s =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/13/90 13:31:30 Message Number 9620 SS>Ok, BEATLE, is that Beatle Bailey or Beatlejuice? Oh, oh...not another Mike Greanawald or David Miller. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: curr affa Date & Time: 10/13/90 13:33:58 Message Number 9621 SS>I"LL BE BACK. Hmmm. the character who made that remark...didn't he get crushed? =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Altr/Rlty Date & Time: 10/13/90 13:36:27 Message Number 9622 YOUR problem is that you *always* take an opinion for fact! When I say that Apples top the eight-bitters, I meant of all the more common eight-bitters that *real people* used. Who the hell ever heard of ON! systems or PC-Z? The computer geeks from hell, that who.... (By the way, I *did* have a Z-80 in my machine....) =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Altr/Rlty Date & Time: 10/13/90 13:39:06 Message Number 9623 >BASH THE HOMOS (TM) IS GOOD.. T>Not you, too! My bulletin board is being overrun... Suffer. See, there *are* more people out there who have the guts to speak thier mind on what is right. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/13/90 13:42:23 Message Number 9624 SS>fall to the mat...groan... Scott! Stay down, Scot!! "Blshthshshshpppppp. Uhg. No," slobber, spit blood "gotta get up... gotta get trashed some more..." =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: RAVEN Subject: CAFFINE Date & Time: 10/13/90 13:46:18 Message Number 9625 R>Dew merely resembles camel piss... And I bet that it tastes similar, too. (Nasty, nasty tasting stuff.) Course, then again, I would pass on the Toxic Shock (tm) first. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: CORWYN Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/13/90 13:49:50 Message Number 9626 You poor misguided invalid-ual. If you really believe that buring the flag is stiking a blow for the right to free speach, then I think you'd better take a look at the way that was worded. The FLAG is the symbol of this country. Not some odd piece of nylon. You said alligience every morning to "a peice of nylon"? I think not. The men on Iwo Jima put up a pole attached to "a peice of nylon"? Bull-shit! Thousands of men died for --- "a peice of nylon"? The people who burn that flag are doing an act of effigy...they are trying to burn everything this country stands for, and if *I* ever saw someone do it in front of me, I'd grab the first thing I could find and kick the shit out of them! WITH ALL DUE DISRESPECT FOR SCUM LIKE THAT! There are other ways of changing laws and getting attention than doing that bullshit. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: CORWYN Subject: enlightened Date & Time: 10/13/90 13:57:52 Message Number 9627 Enlightened...hmmm. How do you feel about homosexuals? =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SPELLWIND Subject: curr affa Date & Time: 10/13/90 13:59:40 Message Number 9628 TS> Bash the Homos (tm) SW> Bash the Christians (tm) Hey, I like it! I like it! (And you trademarked aready...damn.) =========== From: RUFUS To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/13/90 14:21:00 Message Number 9630 >The Specialist says "Weasel on my nose, lookin' at my tose, >who knows, where will it go?" Boy, he says some of the weirdest things. =========== From: RUFUS To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/13/90 14:22:17 Message Number 9631 >Now, imagine, if you will, the original cast and crew with the modern >day special effects... And lots of Geritol, a girdle, make-up, and a toupe. =========== From: RUFUS To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/13/90 14:23:32 Message Number 9632 R> "Ha, I've got you now you Klingon scum...ouch, my back..." SS> What in the world did you mean by that statement? The original cast is getting up there is age. =========== From: RUFUS To: BEATLE Subject: Well? Date & Time: 10/13/90 14:25:50 Message Number 9633 TURTLE>...nobody ever tells me anything... RUFUS> Which is more than what I get told. BEATLE> Which is pretty bad, since you're a student. Oh, I get told plenty in school, I just choose to ignore half of it. =========== From: RUFUS To: BEATLE Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/13/90 14:29:05 Message Number 9634 Rufus> "Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor, not a UNIX hacker!" Beatle> Can we put that in "Overheard"??? I don't see why not. =========== From: RUFUS To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/13/90 14:30:43 Message Number 9635 1) You don't need cable to watch Twin Peaks. 2) Trying to tell you what "Twin Peaks" is about would be rather hard. I've got every episode on tape except for the second one from both the first and second seasons. =========== From: RUFUS To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/13/90 14:31:58 Message Number 9636 Picard's "Make it so" is real annoying, but at least we don't get things like: "We have...defeated the evil Space Gleebs...but the ship...is... destroyed...we are...doomed...I have...lost me...girdle..." =========== From: RUFUS To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: ST:TNG Date & Time: 10/13/90 14:38:23 Message Number 9637 >Both RUFUS and Beatle and merrily pounded the dayslight out of me. >For some unknown reason it seems I have two new sworn enemies. I'm not pounding you. And I'm not your sworn enemy. >P>S> Rufus I still would rather watch a Current Affair then >read a Tabloid. So There. Okay. =========== From: RUFUS To: SPELLWIND Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/13/90 14:43:31 Message Number 9638 > Weasel on my nose, lookin' at my toes, who knows, where will it go? You know, this could catch on /almost/ as much as my "All the cool foxes are doing it" phrase. ...and if I see that phrase again, I'll probably kill someone. =========== From: BEATLE To: ALL Subject: WOAH! Date & Time: 10/13/90 20:01:49 Message Number 9639 This has got to be a first... I log on and the BBS tells me I have about ten to fifteen messages waiting! I never got that much even when I was reading through hundreds of messages per call! =========== From: BEATLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Altr/Rlty Date & Time: 10/13/90 20:05:18 Message Number 9640 > Paragraph Markers. No, I don't think so. I believe what I was referring to was some sort of line noise... Look at the messge Burney wrote. I think you'll notice that the things I'm referring to (maybe not identical to my description) are in the middle of sentence and don't belong there... =========== From: BEATLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Armag. Date & Time: 10/13/90 20:07:25 Message Number 9641 > Oooo! Applied knowledge! Almost impressive! It's the only thing I've been able to use from World History so far this year... I don't see how knowing why the people in Babylonia were civilized has any bearing on anything else. Maybe some other stuff, but I mean, why do I need to tell the teacher what made them civilized?? =========== From: BEATLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/13/90 20:09:42 Message Number 9642 I wouldn't compare my "tearing apart" of Scott to arguing with you over homosexuality. I could tell a mile away that he obviously hasn't been watching the show. HOWEVER, I do agree with some things he said, and I know the show isn't perfect... I was merely reflecting back the same attitude in his message... =========== From: BEATLE To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/13/90 20:13:04 Message Number 9643 > Thank you very much. Sorry to get you so riled up. I know you have your opinion and so on. But perhaps I took the wrong way to giving my opinion... Guess it was a little overbearing. Anyway, I do agree with some of your criticisms, but if you start out pouncing TNG to death and lifting the classic up to godlike proportions, I'm entitled to the reverse, aren't I? Anyway, I'm curious as to why you posted this as a response to the message describing Twin Peaks. Was there an error in the software? PS. It's not Beatle Bailey or Beatlejuice, it's Beatle as in THE Beatles... the group. =========== From: BEATLE To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Star Trek Date & Time: 10/13/90 20:16:31 Message Number 9644 > Ever thought of that? They did that plot already. See "The Way to Eden" on the original Trek ... =========== From: BEATLE To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/13/90 20:17:39 Message Number 9645 > ...we /do/ agree on /something/. Only partially. I'm not "strongly against" those who burn the flag. I wouldn't do it myself, but there is a right, and burning the flag as a protest works. I wouldn't like it to escalate to some outrageous proportions, but the way it is now is fine. =========== From: BEATLE To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Survival in BBS Date & Time: 10/13/90 20:22:09 Message Number 9646 Sorry if we've pounced on you too soon. It's the usual way around here ... If you state a very strong opinion, the chances are better than Turtles VW not running that you'll be attacked (or, most often, your IDEA...). So, in conclusion, it's always like this around here. You get used to it. By the way, you wanna come to school with me? You seem to have a knack for being a human thesarus. :) =========== From: BEATLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/13/90 20:25:09 Message Number 9647 > Don't just think of Troi as a sex object... Oh, fine! Take all the FUN out of it!! I certainly wish I was able to atten Tampa Vulkon in November... The actress who plays Troi will be there... [drool...] =========== From: BEATLE To: CORWYN Subject: Altr/Rlty Date & Time: 10/13/90 20:29:33 Message Number 9648 > After all, it's close to Lennon's 50th birthday. I'm glad someone else remembered! It was Tuesday the 9th. He will be missed. =========== From: BEATLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/13/90 20:34:03 Message Number 9649 > it's that it makes sense wrongly. Huh? Can you elaborate on that puzzling opinion? But hey, isn't it interesting to see Sherilyn Fenn???? =========== From: BEATLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: stuff Date & Time: 10/13/90 20:35:44 Message Number 9650 > How much for both 1 and 2....? You're joking, right? Well, that message surprised me. Well, for #1, I will take a look at my issues to see how many aren't in mint condition. Those that are will go for at least 75 cents each, maybe more (and maybe less, depending on the total) since they were going for that last time I checked. As for #2, I'm looking to see if anyone wants a specific item. I'm NOT (read that extra emphatically) going to sell it all. If you know of a particular SW item, let me know, and I'll see if I a) have it and b) wan want to part with it. =========== From: BEATLE To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Survival in BBS Date & Time: 10/13/90 20:39:41 Message Number 9651 > I'm getting mauled to death by these users, and I'm brand new at this. Well, keep in mind that we don't hate you. We don't mean to "maul" you to death, either. Strong debating is common on here, so be prepared for opinionated responses! Just remember that it doesn't mean we hate you if you disagree. As a matter of fact, if you stick up for yourself, you'll probably get more respect from us than if you back down. =========== From: BEATLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/13/90 20:44:20 Message Number 9652 > There are other ways of changing laws and getting attention than doing > that bullshit. Ah, but the bullshit works best!! Anyway, I would like to disagree with you. The flag IS "a piece of nylon". It's what the people THINK of the flag that put it into the situations you mentioned. To take it quite literally, YES, we do pledge allegiance to a piece of nylon every day. But, I don't see how keeping people from burning the flag helps their self-expression. Gee, if you tell someone not to do something, they do it... Burning the flag can be likened to sit-ins and such from the sixties. They're both ways of protesting, and if you get arrested, it makes all the more point. You want to say people can't do things like that, too?? =========== From: TURTLE To: DIONYSUS Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/13/90 21:54:06 Message Number 9653 >Ya know, if you and Turtle sabotaged each other's boards, you'd both >be co-wrecked. Aaaigh! You may not know this, but we have the death penalty here at A/R... =========== From: TURTLE To: CORWYN Subject: CAFFINE Date & Time: 10/13/90 21:58:24 Message Number 9654 Shouldn't that be, Stick to alcohol at night, and wake up with an aspirin and a Mountain Dew the next morning? Caffeine and aspirin do wonders for the fuzzy-tongue throbbing-head gosh-I-shouldn't-have- swallowed-that-sweatsock aftereffects of a truly inspired evening. =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: Altr/Rlty Date & Time: 10/13/90 22:05:22 Message Number 9656 >I believe there's a rule on this board about system bashing. Yep. The rule is: Do it intelligently, or you're likely to get eaten alive by the technically-inclined out there. =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/13/90 22:07:31 Message Number 9657 The average ST:TNG episode is better-written than the average Original Trek episode, but the Original Trek episodes that were good were absolutely brilliant. The new Trek still doesn't have much to compare with, say, "City on the Edge of Forever," but that's possibly because there aren't any writers who can compare with the likes of Harlan Ellison. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/13/90 22:13:52 Message Number 9658 MMA>DON'T BURN THE FLAG! MMA>(the burning nylon stinks!) SPEC>And so do the scum who burn it. And so do the scum who think that they are "protecting freedom" by jailing the morons who burn flags. =========== From: TURTLE To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/13/90 22:22:53 Message Number 9659 >Just for clarification I'm strongly against flag burning and those >who do it. Meaning you support making flag burning illegal? =========== From: TURTLE To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: ST:TNG Date & Time: 10/13/90 22:23:51 Message Number 9660 >For some unknown reason it seems like I have two new sworn enemies. Not at all. You can disagree with an /idea/ without disliking the /person/ at all. You will find that a number of people will disagree with you on a number of points here and agree with you on others; has no bearing on what they think of you as a /person/. =========== From: TURTLE To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Survival in BBS Date & Time: 10/13/90 22:27:14 Message Number 9661 The users here don't bite, and for the most part don't attack /people/ so much as ideas. Now, if you're the type who takes disagreement as a personal affront, ...(snicker)... =========== From: TURTLE To: CORWYN Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/13/90 22:31:20 Message Number 9662 On the subject of flag-burning and freedom, I saw this statement in a letter to the editor of a local ultra-right-wing rag: "Our freedoms are sacred, and we need harsh laws to protect them." =========== From: TURTLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: curr affa Date & Time: 10/13/90 22:33:47 Message Number 9663 >Bash the Christians (tm) Bashing Christians isn't worth the effort. (Holding hands over head, running into the distance, waiting for shelling...) =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: CAFFINE Date & Time: 10/13/90 22:37:36 Message Number 9664 Mountain Dew bears about as much relation to camel piss (at least in taste) as your average hyperactive child bears to a brick. The stuff is the sensory experience of the gods, and it's good for breakfast, too. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/13/90 22:38:56 Message Number 9665 >Thousands of men died for --- "a piece of nylon"? No, thousands of men died for freedom, liberty, and democracy. By restricting that freedom we make their sacrifice meaningless. The flag is just a piece of nylon. It is a symbol, yes, but YOU CAN'T HURT AN IDEA BY DEFACING A SYMBOL OF THAT IDEA. Let the idiots burn away! It's not hurting you, or me, or even the country. There will /always/ be dissenters in ANY society; that is as it should be. If you don't like the manner in which they dissent, so be it; by making a fuss, you're only giving them the attention they want in the first place!! Ignore them. They'll go away. =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: Altr/Rlty Date & Time: 10/13/90 22:46:19 Message Number 9666 The things in the middle of the sentence are deletes!!! If you look at 'em they always occur whenever it looks like he wanted to back up over a word...sheesh! =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: curr affa Date & Time: 10/13/90 23:15:52 Message Number 9668 Re: Bashing Christians. Why don't we bash people who don't like Rush? ...wait a second, there are none. =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: CAFFINE Date & Time: 10/13/90 23:17:20 Message Number 9669 >Mountain Dew bears about as much relation to camel piss... Why do we keep picking on camels? I like camels. Sure, they're funny looking, but I like 'em. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: RUFUS Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/13/90 23:26:16 Message Number 9670 R> And lots of Geritol..... Obviously you don't read very well. I said the original cast, at the /same/ ages they were when the first serie came out. Blended into the new writers and adveanced technology. In other words, use your imagination, the cast hasn't aged..... Got it this time? =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: RUFUS Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/13/90 23:31:47 Message Number 9671 R> lost me.. girdle.... Rufus, you very strange. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: RUFUS Subject: ST:TNG Date & Time: 10/13/90 23:33:04 Message Number 9672 R> not your sworn enemy.... Darn, well at least I have some one new to fight with. (HEHEHEH) =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: BEATLE Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/13/90 23:36:27 Message Number 9673 Ok, RINGO. (evil spiteful laugh) and yes you are entitled to the reverse godlike proportions and the like. C'ya McCartney , ooops, sorry I always get you guys confused. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: BEATLE Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/13/90 23:39:16 Message Number 9674 Beatle read The Specialist's lecture on Flag Burning. Learn from it they'll be a quiz later. But seriously, I agree with the Specialist. If you hate this country such that you feel justified only by burning the flag, then, do us all a favor, and move to a different country. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: BEATLE Subject: Survival in BBS Date & Time: 10/13/90 23:42:47 Message Number 9675 Where do you go to school? I never been invited to go to school since I graduated. Could I really.. please.. I mean.... can I? Hmmmm. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: BEATLE Subject: Survival in BBS Date & Time: 10/13/90 23:46:10 Message Number 9676 As for surviving ...... Thanks for the warning... By the way, what's that on your shoulder? (stab, crazed laugh) =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: TURTLE Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/13/90 23:48:45 Message Number 9677 T> ...... Making flag burning illegal? In a word YES! =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: BEATLE Subject: Altr/Rlty Date & Time: 10/13/90 23:55:48 Message Number 9678 I know what you are talking about and on my system they come out as paragraph markers. Could it be that you are on a different system than the one I am on? Hmm. Makes sense. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: BEATLE Subject: Armag. Date & Time: 10/13/90 23:56:49 Message Number 9679 B>...I don't see how knowing ... has any bearing on anything else... My point exactly. As a matter of fact, this has been the only use for applied knowledge that I've ever found...knowing enough trivia to impress another person in casual conversation. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: BEATLE Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/14/90 00:02:07 Message Number 9680 YOu do NOT pledge allegiance to a piece of nylon everyday, you pledge allegiance to the nation which it stands for. Get that? "THE NATION WHICH IT STANDS FOR". If it was just a piece of nylon then burning it would mean absolutely no more than burning your favorite T-Shirt. (Even thought that would be cotton, but that's beside the point.) When they burn the flag they are showing thier disrespect for the country and should be placed in the same category as any other scum who shows such blatant disrespect...deported. What the hell do sit-ins have to do with disrespect for the country? And if they do get arrested, that's not *NEARLY* as serious as flag- burning. So what? They sat in front of a Nuc-Plant, or said, "hell- no, we won't go" or some other such insipid or highly unimaginative phrase...the first is harmless, and the second is worthy of deportation. So, like, where do you draw the line? When does something become too disrespectful for you to bear? What do people have to trash or denigrate before *you* get upset? =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/14/90 00:10:49 Message Number 9681 MMA>Don't burn the flag. MMA>(the burning nylon stinks!) SPEC>And so do the scum who burn it. T>And so do the scum who think that they are "protecting freedom" by T>jailing the morons who burn the flags. I'm not in favor of jailing them...oh, no. Shot on site, yes, jailing, no. (Jailing, you would have to spend money for food, heating, etc...) =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: CAFFINE Date & Time: 10/14/90 00:13:49 Message Number 9682 That's like a crack addict remarking about how great crack is... meaning, yours is not exactly an objective opinion. Obviously, if you drank a lot of MD then you would not agree with the reference to camel piss...right? (Same for Raven...not exactly objective...) =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/14/90 00:15:37 Message Number 9683 Shot on sight...they'll go away that way, too. Attrition. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: RUFUS Subject: curr affa Date & Time: 10/14/90 00:16:30 Message Number 9684 R>Why don't we bash people who don't like Rush? R> ...wait a second, there are none. No, JonBoy doesn't like Rush. (Swings howitzer in JB's general d direction) Fire! =========== From: RUFUS To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/14/90 16:37:01 Message Number 9685 >In other words, use your imagination, the cast hasn't aged..... Well, they have. And you can tell. I mean Scotty has put on a few pounds. >Got it this time? Yes, I suppose I have. You can have it back now. =========== From: BURNEY To: RUFUS Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/14/90 20:42:31 Message Number 9686 what you said. =========== From: BURNEY To: DIONYSUS Subject: spellgin Date & Time: 10/14/90 20:43:33 Message Number 9687 I know, I know. The spelling errors were seen however this thing wont ( to the best of my knowledge) let you back up more than one line. And it's more of a bother to 'edit' after I'm done. As long as you get the idea that is all that counts. BTW the line noise WAS bad that night. BTW again. Is it possible for one term prog. to be more prone to line noise than another?? <<< brnuey >>> =========== From: BURNEY To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/14/90 20:49:05 Message Number 9688 Boy that would be a GREAT combo. Lets write a letter to the producers to see if that can be arranged. :) <<< Brnuey >>> <--spelling =========== From: BURNEY To: BEATLE Subject: things Date & Time: 10/14/90 20:52:35 Message Number 9690 ooops....I was in graphic mode. Sorry. I dont see then as that. Will do better next time. =========== From: BURNEY To: BEATLE Subject: Armag. Date & Time: 10/14/90 20:54:23 Message Number 9691 So what is the difference its still the same place. =========== From: BURNEY To: BEATLE Subject: Altr/Rlty Date & Time: 10/14/90 20:56:02 Message Number 9692 After sitting here for a few minutes. I couldn't think of a good reply so you get this generic model. =========== From: BURNEY To: BEATLE Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/14/90 20:57:43 Message Number 9693 A 'shrink' belongs any place other than the bridge. Would you want her there when you were in command? =========== From: BURNEY To: TURTLE Subject: Armag. Date & Time: 10/14/90 21:00:03 Message Number 9694 No point in specific. However if there were one, it would be a continuation of the comments made in earlier messages. =========== From: BURNEY To: TURTLE Subject: Altr/Rlty Date & Time: 10/14/90 21:02:34 Message Number 9695 No not really intolerant. I just dont approve of that lifestyle. I will not impose my views about 'homos' on any one. Far be it from me to tell someone what is 'right' or 'wrong'. All people are entitled to live there life the way they see fit. That's what this country was founded on. (personal freedoms among other things) =========== From: BURNEY To: TURTLE Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/14/90 21:07:49 Message Number 9696 Listen carefully........................thats me clapping =========== From: BURNEY To: SPELLWIND Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/14/90 21:09:12 Message Number 9697 Even in the midst of battle (seen on numerous occasions). Would you approve if YOU were captain? =========== From: BURNEY To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/14/90 21:30:49 Message Number 9698 Who is talking about real life. Even if we were that's waaaaay into the future. Maybe they talk like that in the future. =========== From: DRAGONFLY To: RAVEN Subject: CAFFINE Date & Time: 10/14/90 22:31:01 Message Number 9699 What's Toxic Shock? /Dragonfly/ =========== From: DRAGONFLY To: CORWYN Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/14/90 22:33:51 Message Number 9700 The flag is the symbol for our country. When someone burns a flag, they're symbolically trying to burn the entire country. It's natural that the country would try to strike back at those who oppose it. Also, are you sure that the KKK and the Nazi party are a good definition of who are "conservative"? In other words, should I say that all liberals are Communists and Anarchists? /Dragonfly/ =========== From: DRAGONFLY To: SPELLWIND Subject: ST:TNG Date & Time: 10/14/90 22:42:13 Message Number 9701 S> Not true! I don't think there are any enemies on this board. I haven't seen many of your messages, but it sounds like you're trying to make enemies. "Bash the homos!" "Bash the Christians!" Tell me, is there anybody you do like? /Dragonfly/ =========== From: DRAGONFLY To: TURTLE Subject: CAFFINE Date & Time: 10/14/90 22:52:29 Message Number 9702 After a "truly inspired evening," I usually reach for massive amounts of vitamin B. Real useful to help get you back going. /Dragonfly/ =========== From: DRAGONFLY To: TURTLE Subject: curr affa Date & Time: 10/14/90 22:58:00 Message Number 9703 >Bashing Christians isn't worth the effort. I'll bite. Why not? (And make a statement that includes all Christians, not just one branch.) /Dragonfly/ =========== From: DRAGONFLY To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/14/90 23:01:51 Message Number 9704 >If you hate this country,... then move to a different country. Do you believe "America: Love it or Leave it"? They seem awfully drastic extremes. /Dragonfly/ =========== From: DRAGONFLY To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Objectivity Date & Time: 10/14/90 23:06:34 Message Number 9705 There once was a film to disprove that marijuana made food taste better. They had ten subjects, five of which were stoned; five of which weren't. They gave each of them a McDonald's hamburger. The five who weren't stoned ate the burgers without many comments. The five who were ate them with great gusto, complimenting the chefs at McDonalds. Therefore, the film concluded, marijuana doesn't make food taste better -- it justs makes you think it tastes better. /Dragonfly/ =========== From: DRAGONFLY To: BURNEY Subject: Altr/Rlty Date & Time: 10/14/90 23:12:28 Message Number 9706 >Far be it from me to tell someone what is 'right' or 'wrong'. All >people are entitled to live there life the way they see fit. Do you include murderers, rapists, or the insane in that? Does your relative morality include the extremely violent, the sadistic, or drug addicts? /Dragonfly/ =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: BURNEY Subject: Altr/Rlty Date & Time: 10/14/90 23:58:11 Message Number 9707 Agreed. They're just sick, that's all. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: DRAGONFLY Subject: ST:TNG Date & Time: 10/14/90 23:59:57 Message Number 9708 HEY! Stop giving him credit for bashing the Homos! That's *MY* line. (Sticks thumbs in suspenders and proudly sticks out chest.) and it's *trademarked*. DF>Tell me, is there anybody that you do like? Hmmm. No, but I do hate some more than others. Heh, heh. BTW, I used to have a Villians and Vigillantes character named DragonFly. (She could fly and had a flame-based attack.) =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: DRAGONFLY Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/15/90 00:03:09 Message Number 9709 DF>Do you believe "America: Love it or Leave it"? They seem awfully DF>drastic extremes. I dunno about Scott, but personnally if you don't like the country, I don't want to hear about it. If you are going to burn the flag, well, then SHOT on SIGHT. But Love it or Leave it are such cliche' expressions...if you don't like it, don't burn the flag. You don't have to love it, but don't (verbally or with guestures) shout how much you hate it to the world. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: DRAGONFLY Subject: Objectivity Date & Time: 10/15/90 00:07:29 Message Number 9710 Ok...what's your point? The original message's point was to prove that a person who consumes great amounts of MD (Mountain Dew) would not have an objective opinion (meaning that he *would* be biased) about Mountain Dew. The same for a coffee drinker on the subject of coffee. What was your point? =========== From: SPELLWIND To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/15/90 02:32:49 Message Number 9711 TS> The FLAG is the symbol of this country. And this country stands for freedom, and if freedom is taken away, all the people who died for that flag are no more, and the flag becomes a piece of nylon.... =========== From: SPELLWIND To: BEATLE Subject: Armag. Date & Time: 10/15/90 02:40:53 Message Number 9712 He means the statement as it is talked about (Bullshitedly) in the bible. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: BEATLE Subject: Troi Date & Time: 10/15/90 02:45:46 Message Number 9713 You know, I looked at this a long time. Damn, UGH! HER NAME IS Marina Sirtis(Greek). double and triple ugh. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: BEATLE Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/15/90 02:47:51 Message Number 9714 ok. Yeah.... Hmm. AERTJUJ is an arami term for blue faced. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: BEATLE Subject: stuff Date & Time: 10/15/90 02:49:59 Message Number 9715 1> If any of those Things are less than Very Good, forget it. 2> Aliens and ships.... =========== From: SPELLWIND To: TURTLE Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/15/90 02:54:27 Message Number 9716 :) (annoying, earen't they?) Bash The Christians (tm) =========== From: SPELLWIND To: TURTLE Subject: ST:TNG Date & Time: 10/15/90 02:55:45 Message Number 9717 except in my case, in which they (they including Everyone) dislike my ideas AND me. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/15/90 02:59:48 Message Number 9718 How the hell are you gonna manage getting them back to the age they were? =========== From: SPELLWIND To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/15/90 03:01:41 Message Number 9719 You don't usually hate the country when you're doing such a thing, you hate what's being (or not being) done. Activism is the best Free Speech. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/15/90 03:04:59 Message Number 9720 I pledge.......gee, I always thought the word was flag? =========== From: SPELLWIND To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/15/90 03:06:54 Message Number 9721 If anyone needs to be shot on sight, it's a paramilitary freak like you. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: BURNEY Subject: Armag. Date & Time: 10/15/90 03:09:28 Message Number 9722 So, what exactly do you mean by 'same place'? (putting on spiked gloves, sharpening knives......) =========== From: SPELLWIND To: DRAGONFLY Subject: ST:TNG Date & Time: 10/15/90 03:12:58 Message Number 9723 Bash the Homo's is Specialist's (ya know, the paramilitary freak) They're human too. As for Bash The Christians (tm), they deserve it. Let's get those war god worshippers outta the world. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: DRAGONFLY Subject: curr affa Date & Time: 10/15/90 03:14:53 Message Number 9724 :) ( ! ) YEAH! =========== From: SPELLWIND To: DRAGONFLY Subject: Altr/Rlty Date & Time: 10/15/90 03:17:02 Message Number 9725 Turtle, I like this dude, I hope he isn't imported. Dragonfly, You fit in here. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/15/90 03:19:56 Message Number 9726 Paramilitary Freak Bash The Christians (tm) =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: RUFUS Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/15/90 16:44:19 Message Number 9727 Yes I'll admit Scottlooks like he's pregnant but you're just eluding my point. The original cast is better than the new cast. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: BURNEY Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/15/90 16:46:12 Message Number 9728 B> That would be a great combo...... But I think I caught a little but of sarcasm in there. But yes, just the same, it WOULD be a GREAT combo. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SPELLWIND Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/15/90 16:49:13 Message Number 9729 SP> how are you going to get them back to that age? Simple, a sling-shot around the sun (time travel) should do it! Yeah, that's the ticket. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SPELLWIND Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/15/90 17:28:55 Message Number 9730 SP>...and if freedom is taken away... What an incredible exaggeration! We are not going to become suddenly communist if we make flag burning against the law! Don't be stupid. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SPELLWIND Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/15/90 17:32:34 Message Number 9731 SP>You don't usually hate the country when you're doing such a thing, SP>you hate what's being (or not being) done. So, you take it out on the one thing you should have respect for? Sorry, I just don't buy it. Y'know, flag burning was done in the middle east, and all over america people were screaming for blood. Now, some americans do it, and it's free speach. Bullshit. I don't appreciate it when some "towelheads" do it, and I feel that if Americans want to do it, they should go over and join the Iranians and Iraqis. (An american who burns the flag is no better than an Iraqi or Iranian who does.) =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SPELLWIND Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/15/90 17:36:35 Message Number 9732 I find it hard to believe that you don't know the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and *TO THE UNION FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION* under God... Are you really that ignorant, or are you just acting that way to try to refute my point? Either way, you come off sounding ignorant. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SPELLWIND Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/15/90 17:39:27 Message Number 9733 SW>If anyone needs to be shot on sight, it's a paramilitary freak like SW>you. You are pathetic, y'know that? Really pathetic. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SPELLWIND Subject: ST:TNG Date & Time: 10/15/90 17:41:59 Message Number 9734 Hold it, you're saying that Homos are human but Christians "deserve it"? Waitaminute...I disagree. BOTH of them deserve to be bashed. Howabout a deal...I'll bash Christians (which actually, I'm pretty apathetic to) and you bash Homos, and we'll have both of them gone in half the time! -- A Paramilitary Specialist =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SPELLWIND Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/15/90 17:45:03 Message Number 9735 Anti-Christ Freak. Bash the Homos (tm) =========== From: BURNEY To: DRAGONFLY Subject: Lifestyle Date & Time: 10/15/90 18:56:49 Message Number 9736 >Do you include murderers, rapists and the insane in that?... Yes I do. However let me clarify that. If a person chooses to be or do those things listed above then they are subject to the laws of the society that they are a partof. Now by saying that it may sound that I approve....I of course do not. The efficiency of the legal system to protect innocent citizens is another matter. >>> Burney <<< =========== From: BURNEY To: SPELLWIND Subject: BTC tm Date & Time: 10/15/90 19:09:53 Message Number 9737 >As for Bash the Christians (tm), they deserve it. Let's get those war god worshippers outta the world/ Are you suggesting Christians are 'war god' worshippers. Did I read that correctly. If so where did you get thAt ridiculous description from. Also are you suggesting christian executions Mr Hitler? =========== From: BURNEY To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/15/90 19:18:24 Message Number 9738 > But I think I caught a little bit of sarcasm in there.... NOT AT ALL... =========== From: BURNEY To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/15/90 19:21:03 Message Number 9739 I agree with you. Next thing you know we'll be hip deep in the KGB. Just a little sarcasm there. The flag is the symbol of this country. When you see some stinkin' Iranian or such burning the flag on the 6:00 o'clock news, doesn't that cut you to the bone. It does me... =========== From: RUFUS To: BURNEY Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/15/90 19:46:12 Message Number 9741 >A 'shrink' belongs any place other than the bridge. Yep, like in 'Ten Forward.' It would be awful if the bartender, under some stress or mental anguish (sp?) made the wrong drink (or, in this case, punched in the wrong drink). No need to worry about the people actually responsible for the ship and everyone on it. If your gonna have a 'shrink', you might as well have here on the bridge. >Would you want her there when you were in command? No, just because she'd be to damned distracting. :) =========== From: RUFUS To: SPELLWIND Subject: ST:TNG Date & Time: 10/15/90 19:54:05 Message Number 9742 >except in my case, in which they (they including Everyone) dislike >my ideas AND me. Hey, hold on there bud. I shot at you several times. Now, that cost me money. I don't shoot at people I don't like (okay, on occasion, I might take a few shots at people I don't like). ...ignore the nice insurance salesman, he's befuddled. =========== From: RUFUS To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/15/90 19:58:08 Message Number 9743 >Yes I'll admit Scottlooks like he's pregnant... No, it looks like he swallowed a shuttle craft. :) >...but your just eluding my point. Like a furry creature of the forest, I scamper. Err, was your point "The old show was better than the new"? Well, both shows stand alone. >The original cast is better than the new cast. I like them both. There are characters from both series that I like and dislike. And regarding new vs. old and new cast vs. old cast, last nights episode would not have been possible with the old cast, and it was, IMHO, one of the best episodes. =========== From: RUFUS To: RUFUS Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/15/90 20:06:46 Message Number 9744 >you might as well have here on the bridge. And once again, I manage to mix up here and her. ARG! =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: Survival in BBS Date & Time: 10/15/90 20:25:39 Message Number 9746 >...the chances are better than Turtle's VW not running that you'll >be attacked... Hey! Turtle's VW /runs/ just fine! ...too bad it has no fourth gear. =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/15/90 20:27:48 Message Number 9747 >Ah, but that bullshit works best! Not really. Flag-burning as a form of protest gets a lot of attention, but it's not usually the sort of attention you want focussed on your cause. Sure, it makes a point, but the point is usually: "Hey, every- body, look at what an asshole I am!!" =========== From: TURTLE To: RUFUS Subject: curr affa Date & Time: 10/15/90 20:30:05 Message Number 9748 >Why don't we bash people who don't like Rush? > ...wait a second, there are none. Not true! I personally know two or three people who don't like Rush. Amazing, isn't it? =========== From: TURTLE To: RUFUS Subject: CAFFINE Date & Time: 10/15/90 20:31:13 Message Number 9749 >Why do we keep picking on camels? I like camels. Yes, but do you like camel piss? /That's/ what is being picked on here. (Actually, Mountain Dew is being picked on here, but you see what I mean.) =========== From: TURTLE To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/15/90 20:32:25 Message Number 9750 >I said the original cast... Well, yes and no. I like Scotty better than what's-his-face, and McCoy is so much better than Beverly Crusher that it's not even worth going into. On the other hand, I would prefer Picard to Kirk on this hypothetical series, not because Picard is a better /character/ but because Patrick Stewart is a better actor than William "Mr. Melodrama" Shatner. Ol' Bill always did have a thing about totally dominating every scene he's in, and from the Star Trek movies I see that hasn't gone away with age. Course, I'd like to see Sulu take out Wesley with one of his fencing foils, too... =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/15/90 20:37:42 Message Number 9751 >When they burn the flag they are showing their disrespect for the >country... ...which ought to be illegal; just ask any two-bit dictator. Showing disrespect for the country is no big deal; hell, there are things /I/ don't respect about this grand old place! (I certainly have no respect for our present government's ability to manage money, for one.) That's the neat thing about a free society: you /don't/ get imprisoned for not being properly reverent toward the powers that be. So you get a few assholes; so what? I'd rather live with them than live with a government that thinks repression and imprisonment are perfectly kosher whenever someone doesn't seem respectful enough. If I want to live in a society whose citizens don't ever show disrespect for their country, I'll move to North Korea. No thanks. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/15/90 20:42:03 Message Number 9752 >I'm not in favor of jailing them...oh, no. Shot on site, yes... Don't they do that in China? =========== From: TURTLE To: BURNEY Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/15/90 20:48:52 Message Number 9753 > 'shrink' belongs any place other than the bridge. I dunno; she's come in handy a few times by tuning in to a potential opponent's state of mind and telling Picard "He's bluffing" or "He means it." Besides, she's rather aesthetic-looking; if I were in command I wouldn't mind her on the bridge!! (Smirk) =========== From: TURTLE To: DRAGONFLY Subject: Flags & You Date & Time: 10/15/90 20:51:43 Message Number 9754 >Also, are you sure that the KKK and the Nazi party are a good >definition of who are "conservatives"? In other words, should I >say that all liberals are Communists and Anarchists? Obviously not...but that does bring up a good point. Flag burners disgust me. So do members of the American Nazi Party, the White Aryan Resistance, and the Ku Klux Klan. You don't see any movement afoot to ban the Nazis or the WAR, though; and that is as it should be in a country that respects people's right to express them- selves as they see fit. I would //!!MUCH!!// rather watch someone burn a flag than watch a bunch of whitesheets parade through my town, but the point is this is a _free_ country and they both have the right to do what they do. If you live in a free society, you're gonna see things that piss you off and make you want to retch. It happens. Get used to it. That's part of the price you pay for the right to hold opinions of your own that /other/ people don't like. =========== From: TURTLE To: DRAGONFLY Subject: Christian affai Date & Time: 10/15/90 21:00:19 Message Number 9755 >I'll bite. Why not? Seriously? That comment was more inflammatory than anything else; most Christians are a relatively innocuous lot, I suppose. I will say, though, that I find Christianity in general to be not terribly interesting and slightly silly as religions go. Theologically, the idea of being saved for your sins by murdering the diety you sin against doesn't make a whole lot of sense (and Jesus wasn't your typical sacrificial lamb who dies pure for our sins, because for that to work he would have had to have been judged by God, not by man; my need to judge you is not satisfied if /you/ kill /me/ in your place), and historically it doesn't have a track record I'd be proud of. =========== From: TURTLE To: DRAGONFLY Subject: Objectivity Date & Time: 10/15/90 21:05:13 Message Number 9756 >Therefore, the film concluded, marijuana doesn't make food taste >better -- it just makes you think it tastes better. Taste is subjective. If you /think/ something tastes good, then it does...to you. Finding someone who says it doesn't taste good doesn't prove that the food is not, in fact, good-tasting. Pot does excite the centers of the brain responsible for perception of hunger, though, and I'm sure you've noticed that if you're hungry things seem to taste better than they do when you're not... =========== From: TURTLE To: DRAGONFLY Subject: Altr/Rlty Date & Time: 10/15/90 21:07:57 Message Number 9757 >Do you include murders, rapists, or the insane in that? Does your >relative morality include the extremely violent, the sadistic, or >drug addicts? Not a valid argument. Murders, rapists, et. al. deliberatley commit acts of violence against innocent people. That makes them qualitatively different from people who do /not/ commit acts of violence of any sort, or in fact do /anything/ to anyone without full consent, yet who do things you don't approve of. The logic you used can support ANY moral judgement at all: "I don't think I have the right to make moral judgements based on people's dress." "Oh really? Do you also think that murder, rape, etc. is morally right?" Comparing an act of violence to a behavior that hurts nobody is a kind of dubious thesis in any situation. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/15/90 21:12:56 Message Number 9758 >...don't (verbally or with guestures) shout how much you hate it >to the world. Are you saying you only have the right to express your opinion about your country if the opinion is positive?? For someone who is willing to fight in the service of this country to support the system of personal liberty that it represents, I find that *very* *difficult* to believe. =========== From: TURTLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: Stuff Date & Time: 10/15/90 21:15:53 Message Number 9759 "I pledge alliegance to the flag..." and what's more, I mean it! I'll stick up for that flag to all its friends that try to cut it down, I'll follow it anywhere, I'll babysit its kids... You can't pledge alliegance to a /flag,/ only to a /country./ =========== From: TURTLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/15/90 21:17:51 Message Number 9760 >If anyone needs to be shot on sight, it's a paramilitary freak like >you. Hey! That's out of line. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/15/90 21:19:29 Message Number 9761 >We are not going to become suddenly commhnist if we make flag burning >against the law! No, but on th other hand continual slow erosion of liberty /is/ a very real problem, and it /is/ happening. We have somehow managed to survive for the last two hundred years without a law against flag burning; why the sudden burning need for one now? I am always reluctant to advocate /any/ limiting of /any/ rights unless you can provide a damn good reason that it has to be done, and on this issue I don't see one. The country's not going to disintegrate into a seething mass of left- wingers and anarchists if some schmuck with a match sparks one up, and the people who try to insist that our country's future relies on an anti-flag-burning law exaggerate. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/15/90 21:23:42 Message Number 9762 >So, you take it out on the one thing you should have respect for? The one thing you /should/ have respect for is our society, not our flag. Without the society the flag is meaningless. It is a symbol, not a thing with any intrinsic value. >(An american who burns the flag is no better than an Iraqi or >Iranian who does.) Wrong. An American who burns the flag is worse. He, at least, ought to know better. On the other hand, an American who shoots a flag-burner is no better than a Chinese or Korean soldier who does. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/15/90 21:26:47 Message Number 9763 >You are pathetic, y'know that? Cool it, you two. =========== From: TURTLE To: BURNEY Subject: BTC tm Date & Time: 10/15/90 21:28:02 Message Number 9764 >Are you suggesting that Christians are 'war god' worshippers...If >so where did you get thAt ridiculous description from. From history. The early Yahvists /were/ war god worshippers; the Christian idea of God evolved from Marduk, a very old pagan god of war. No religion springs from a vacuum, except perhaps Scientology. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/15/90 21:47:24 Message Number 9765 Gee, why don't you just fly the ship backwards? (Hahahaha ) =========== From: SPELLWIND To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/15/90 21:48:16 Message Number 9766 No, we won't. (How'd communism get into this?) That would be a bui- lding block, 3rd story on the House or Antifreedoms..... =========== From: SPELLWIND To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/15/90 21:50:25 Message Number 9767 Oh, I see, because of Kumehni(sp?) and Hussein, you classify all Iraqis and Iranians less than human. And you're calling ME stupid? You Paramilitary Freak. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/15/90 21:52:03 Message Number 9768 I never really paid attention to a pledge that makes all kids say God in a land of free religion....sorry! =========== From: SPELLWIND To: BURNEY Subject: BTC tm Date & Time: 10/15/90 21:54:22 Message Number 9769 Oh no, don't even put me near that type of criteria because I'm just the opposite. All humans are ok by me, I just don't like their war-god religion and I hopest they come to their senses. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: RUFUS Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/15/90 21:57:59 Message Number 9770 Here's something to consider. The old cast (at their ST age) on STTNG and the new cast (At their age now) on the old show...... that'd be strange to watch....... =========== From: SPELLWIND To: TURTLE Subject: Survival in BBS Date & Time: 10/15/90 21:59:44 Message Number 9771 I heard you were selling it REAL cheap. I love that car. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: TURTLE Subject: Stuff Date & Time: 10/15/90 22:08:24 Message Number 9772 Exactly my point. AERTJUJ.... arami for Blue Faced =========== From: SPELLWIND To: TURTLE Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/15/90 22:09:22 Message Number 9773 And his comment wasn't? =========== From: SPELLWIND To: TURTLE Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/15/90 22:11:16 Message Number 9774 Gee, this really doesn't have anything to do with the message you just typed, but a couple other messages. As I said on Courts, all (semi-active) Christians and Politicians up for reelection are under a new classification... Moralist. (I know, I know...) (Takes hat off so Turtle can WHAP him in the head with a hammer.) =========== From: CARRENTHEON To: TURTLE Subject: BBS Date & Time: 10/16/90 05:15:12 Message Number 9777 Hey Turtle, Greetings from J-ville.... I agree with the other guys... this is one of the best boards up.. (Even if it is run on a TRS-80 Snicker) Sure would miss it if it went down... wouldnt be able to get all my furry news or have wierd conversations with the colourful people online... Nice seeing yall online again... Signing off from Jacksonville (Ugh these IN-State LD calls are murder!) Carrentheon (Paul) =========== From: CARRENTHEON To: BEATLE Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/16/90 05:32:08 Message Number 9778 My boss always tells me to "Make this happen"... mabye i ought to mention to him that that sounds kinda like a plastic answer... probably raise an eyebrow at that remark... (The left one... then hell tell me that was not a logical answer....) And can you believe that picard came from a family of vineyard keepers??? What kind of skills does that give you to qualify for starfleet??? Able to drink someone under the table?? I think hes kind of a snot anyways... heheheh... Later Carrentheon =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: TURTLE Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/16/90 08:32:45 Message Number 9779 "hey, everybody, look at what an asshole I am!" ..... Allright Turtle, I like it. Getting attention by flag-burning is like the child who intentionally mis-behaves to get attention. A child /needs/ to have attention. Therefore it will (if he/her feels it's necessary) to mis-behave. (Just a clarifier, I not says kids sit down and analyze ways to get attention.) OOOPs above not says, saying But if a child is starved for attention he/her might start mis-behaving just for the attention. It would be "negative" attention but at least it /is attention. Somehow flag-burners have adopted this same policy, "If the government can ignore me, then I'm gonna burn the flag just to really pissed them off and then maybe they'll pay some attention to me. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: TURTLE Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/16/90 08:53:37 Message Number 9780 I'll probably getting shot down in flames for theis but I going to say it anyway. America, just like any other country, unfortunately has that disturbing way of trying to convert a country's government system to ours (democrary). Like when we threw that dictator out and set up a democracy. I agree with you, Turtle when you asked.... T> Are you saying you only have the right to express your opinion about T. your country if the opinion is positive?? ...... If our country's respond to that question would be "Yes" then I think we all better scramble for parachutes because we're on the road to communism. Unfortunately governments, all forms of government, have a bias opinion towards their own form of government, but does that make it right for everyone? Not necessarily, I personally think after comparing all forms of government that a socialist government with democratic elections would be better then what we have now. In a socialist economy everyone is little more closer to equal there You don't have the pathetically poor and the mega-millionaires. To quote a song " The rich control the government, the media, the law," I believe everyone and I mean *EVERYONE* is entitled to their own opinion. (BTW I hate the bumper-sticker that says "everyone is entitled to my opinion.) Anyway, whether it be positive or negative, people should be able to have different opinions. Please don't tell me that we are gonna try to control the way people *THINK* now too. There are a lot of relative things in life. Ok, someone argument in defense of flag-burning, is, it's a symbol of America, just a piece of nylon. Well your car is a symbol of your social status and your net worth. It means a lot to it owner, yet in reality it just a bunch of metal and wires, etc. Remove the availablity of gasoline, your car is worthless. Yes the flag is nylon but to a lot of people it means a whole lot more, a WHOLE LOT MORE. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/16/90 18:35:06 Message Number 9785 Now add a cause and you got it. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/16/90 18:38:23 Message Number 9786 Actually, without gas the car can be a home........ =========== From: TURTLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: BTC tm Date & Time: 10/16/90 23:47:37 Message Number 9788 >...I just don't like their war-god religion and I hopest they come >to their senses. Shouldn't that be, "I hopeth they come to their senses"? =========== From: TURTLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: Survival in BBS Date & Time: 10/16/90 23:48:30 Message Number 9789 I'm selling it for the first $300 that walks down the pike. It needs a new battery and some tranny work, but the engine alone is worth more. I like it too, but I can't afford to fix it at this moment... =========== From: TURTLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/16/90 23:49:48 Message Number 9790 Comments which are directed at /ideas/ are appropriate. Comments which are directed at /other users/ are not. =========== From: TURTLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/16/90 23:51:01 Message Number 9791 >...all (semi-active) Christians and Politicians up for reelection >are under a new classification... Moralist. Not necessarily. Connie Mack, who is generally a /very/ conservative individual, impressed me greatly when he took a stand against attempts to censor the 2 Live Crew after they were arrested in Florida. That particular man stands for what conservativism /used/ to mean; namely, that people have the right to do what they do free from regulation and government interference as long as what they do does not interfere with other people's freedom. That is an ideal I have more than a little respect for, and it impressed me when a man in high political office bucked popular opinion and the opinion of his fellow conservatives to oppose censorship. I still think he's flat-out wrong on a number of points, but whatever else you can say about him he's no self-serving moralist. =========== From: TURTLE To: CARRENTHEON Subject: BBS Date & Time: 10/16/90 23:56:50 Message Number 9792 Calling long-distance in-state must be hell on your phone bill...I'm flattered! I sincerely hope we won't be going down in the near future, but things are kinda iffy hereabouts...we may end up cutting back even further on system hours in the near future sometime soon. =========== From: TURTLE To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/16/90 23:58:56 Message Number 9793 >If the government can ignore me, then I'm gonna burn the flag just >to really piss them off... Precisely. That's why I say ignore 'em. =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: curr affa Date & Time: 10/17/90 16:53:03 Message Number 9795 Two or three people who don't like Rush? Wow, amazing! =========== From: RUFUS To: CARRENTHEON Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/17/90 17:00:48 Message Number 9796 The message handler is full!! It won't save any more!!! =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SPELLWIND Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/17/90 18:26:56 Message Number 9798 S> Now add a cause and you got it. What do you mean? s =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SPELLWIND Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/17/90 18:28:13 Message Number 9799 S> Actually without gas the car can be a home........ Yeah, nice home, no shower, no bathroom, no kitchen,no refrig, yeaaaaah. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/17/90 18:42:43 Message Number 9800 >I'm not in favor of jailing them... >I want to shoot them. T> Don't they do that in China? Yes, they do. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Flags & You Date & Time: 10/17/90 18:46:09 Message Number 9801 Damn you, Turtle. I ****HATE IT**** when you are right! But I still want to shoot them on sight.... =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/17/90 18:50:15 Message Number 9802 >Are you saying you only have the right to express your ...blah, blah >blah, blather blather... I find that *very* *difficult* to believe. What bothers me is that I'm willing to fight in the service of this country and some asshole is out there trashing the symbol of it! That wouldn't bother you? =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SPELLWIND Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/17/90 19:03:54 Message Number 9803 Oh, I see. You are an Iraqi sympathiser, is that it? And I bet you cheered when Kohomeni took over the embassy, and laughed when he paraded his hostages down the streets. No, I'm not calling you stupid. I'm calling you pathetic, and saying that you *act* stupid. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SPELLWIND Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/17/90 19:06:25 Message Number 9804 Yeah, that's typical. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/17/90 19:10:18 Message Number 9805 Nice points, Scott. I like the way that you said that everyone should be entitled to thier own opinions. I think that the flag should not be burned. I think that homos are sick people. I think that someone I know is really pathetic. That doesn't mean that I should be able to shoot someone for burning the flag, or make all homos go for intensive psychiatric treatment, or even be allowed to make sure everyone knows who I'm talking about by saying his name over the radio. That'd be wrong. But if I hated the politicians in Washington, I wouldn't plant booby traps in thier cars. If I didn't like my apartment complex manager, I wouldn't trash the common rooms and laundry rooms. That doesn't hurt her and does hurt everyone else. Don't trash my flag because you don't like George Bush. You may get his attention, but you will piss off a lot of other people in the process, and probably will cause no change to be made anyway. (BTW, Scott...the above points were not directed at you...I just needed to say something in addition to your kudo.) =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/17/90 19:22:52 Message Number 9806 S>Actually, without gas the car can be a home........ SS> Yeah, nice home, no shower, no bathroom, no kitchen, ...yeahhhhhh. He just was being "smart". =========== From: BURNEY To: TURTLE Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/17/90 21:53:45 Message Number 9807 Well I hate to admit it, but thereare characters in each show that are unique to that show. I cannot see McCoy in ST:TNG or for that matter Crusher in the old. My personal opinion is: The new show is better for several reasons, the special effects, the plots are /usually/ better, and the cast is completely different which adds to the quality of the new show. If the cast/crew werethe same or similar, the new show would just a continuation of the old. I don't think anyone wants that (maybe =========== From: BURNEY To: TURTLE Subject: BTC tm Date & Time: 10/17/90 22:09:15 Message Number 9808 Show me where 'the Christian idea of God evolved from Marduk, a very old pagan god of war'(your words). =========== From: BURNEY To: SPELLWIND Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/17/90 22:11:59 Message Number 9809 I don't think THE SPECIALIST was classifying ALL Iraqis and Iranians as sub-human. It is a natural reaction to return aggression for aggression whether it is nationaly or personally. =========== From: BURNEY To: SPELLWIND Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/17/90 22:14:56 Message Number 9810 > I never really paid attention toa pledge that makes all kids say God.. ... I guess not, they dont say any pledge now. Also when I was in school, I was not /made/ to say it. It was a matter of choice. =========== From: BURNEY To: SPELLWIND Subject: BTC tm Date & Time: 10/17/90 22:18:12 Message Number 9811 MY...MY aren't we the pompous one.What makes you think you are correct in your description of the 'war-god' religion. They (and I)think YOU need to come to YOUR senses. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: TURTLE Subject: Survival in BBS Date & Time: 10/18/90 01:04:55 Message Number 9814 How about payments of $100 buckos a month? =========== From: SPELLWIND To: TURTLE Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/18/90 01:06:26 Message Number 9815 I stand Corrected....(But don't I always.) (And just when I was told I was getting a brain) =========== From: SPELLWIND To: RUFUS Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/18/90 01:08:31 Message Number 9816 Drink someONE???? (Wouldn't that be qualifications for Starfleet slut? ) =========== From: SPELLWIND To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/18/90 01:09:29 Message Number 9817 I mean, there's a reason for doing it or it wouldn't be done. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/18/90 01:11:20 Message Number 9818 And I'm calling you a shithead. I was born in Indiana. I /can't/ be a sympathiser for anybody like that. What I'm SAYING, DOPE, is that the actions of a maniacal leader does not reclect the society he controls....(Except....turtle, shoot me) =========== From: SPELLWIND To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/18/90 01:14:56 Message Number 9819 I'm pathetic? HA. You're a closed-minded, irrational, psychotic, paramilitary freak. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: BURNEY Subject: BTC tm Date & Time: 10/18/90 01:16:56 Message Number 9820 Oooh Turtle! Can I do this one? =========== From: SPELLWIND To: BURNEY Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/18/90 01:17:35 Message Number 9821 Ahh, but he was. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: BURNEY Subject: BTC tm Date & Time: 10/18/90 01:18:58 Message Number 9822 Hahahahaha! You're a typical Christian....... =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SPELLWIND Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/18/90 17:44:28 Message Number 9827 SW>And I'm calling you a shithead. I'm not suprised, that is typical for you. SW>I was born in Indiana. And I was born in Maine, so what? That doesn't mean that I couldn't turn "towelhead" sympathizer. SW>What I'm SAYING, DOPE, [typical...] is that the actions of a SW>maniacal [sic] leader does not relfect the society he controls.... What? That's garbage. You tell me that Iraqi society does not reguard us as "the capitalist devils from the west" and I'll concede that point. And waht does that have to do with the fact that you sympathize with all flag-burners all over the world? =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SPELLWIND Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/18/90 17:50:12 Message Number 9828 SW>I'm pathetic? Yes, really pathetic. SW>HA. You're a close-minded, irrational, psycotic, paramilitary SW>freak. And that spew not only demonstrates it, it proves it. Why don't you knock off the (unoriginal, boring, cliche') insults and start looking past the end of your overinflated ego and at the issue? =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SPELLWIND Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/18/90 23:57:31 Message Number 9829 Stupid point, I mean it's really pathetic. It goes without saying that if a person is going to burn the flag, they /have/ a cause. People don't just go around burning flags for the hell of it. Fortunately, this country hasn't sunk /that/ low. ( I mean down to your level.) =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SPELLWIND Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/19/90 00:02:39 Message Number 9830 Sp>I'm pathetic? HA. You're a closed minded, irrational, psychotic, paramilitary freak. Well, I think you gave a rather accurate assessment of the Specialist. Except you forgot that he's opinionated, arrogant, and a zealous patriot. But just the same (JTS) you /are/ pathetic. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/19/90 00:08:54 Message Number 9831 Now wait a minute, Specialtits, just because Lettwind (massive amounts of hot air) sympathizes with flag-burners doesn't mean he's a Iraqi sympathizer. But, AGAIN, I agree he /is/ pathetic. =========== From: RAVEN To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Survival in BBS Date & Time: 10/19/90 00:30:54 Message Number 9833 SS> I'm getting mauled to death by these users, and I'm brand new at SS> this. Respond in an intelligent and cutting manner. People can't maul while trying to lift themselves out of the mud. Enjoy. =========== From: RAVEN To: DRAGONFLY Subject: CAFFINE Date & Time: 10/19/90 00:37:28 Message Number 9834 DF> What's Toxic Shock [(tm)]? A wonderfully nasty and vile beverage with all the effect of 3 pints of coffee, with out the rest stops. Great for working on papers, and putting one's self into a homocidal rage. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/19/90 15:59:05 Message Number 9838 >What bothers me is that I'm willing to fight in the service of this >country and some asshole is out there trashing the symbol of it! That >wouldn't bother you? Yes, it would. I never claimed to be in /favor/ of flag burning, mind you; I just don't believe in shooting or jailing the assholes who do that. Jailing them does more harm to the country than their pathetic actions ever could. =========== From: TURTLE To: BURNEY Subject: BTC tm Date & Time: 10/19/90 16:02:05 Message Number 9839 >Show me where 'the Christian idea of God evolved from Marduk, a very >old pagan god of war'(your words). Easy enough to do. First, go to the library. Now, find any book on the history of religion or comparative religious studies (or, for that matter, almost any text on Biblical history). Next, read through it. Marduk was the prototype for patriarchal monotheistic religion; worship of this particular diety came out of the Fertile Crescent, and that religion has influenced everything that followed from that part of the world--including the religion of the ancient Hebrews. Does it really bother you that your religion evolved from a different on and didn't spring full-blown from a vacuum? I could point out that even in Biblical history the concept of god has undergone more than a little change; that by itself doesn't mean a whole lot. =========== From: TURTLE To: BURNEY Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/19/90 16:06:58 Message Number 9840 >Also when I was in school, I was not /made/ to say [the pledge]. It >was a matter of choice. Then your case was probably the exception, not the rule. In most public schools up until the last six years or so, it was not uncommon to see disciplinary action taken against people who refused to say the pledge; I even know one person who was not a United States citizen who was sent to detention for not reciting the pledge. =========== From: TURTLE To: BURNEY Subject: BTC tm Date & Time: 10/19/90 16:09:12 Message Number 9841 >MY...MY aren't we the pompous one. Actually, that seems to be a failing that's common to both of you. If you are convinced that you have The Truth (tm), then you're going to come across as arrogant whenever you make absolute statements about it to someone who's not convinced. This entire exchange strikes me as being a little silly, to tell the truth. You're not going to convince Spell- wind that he's wrong, and he's not going to convince you that YOU'RE wrong, and neither one of you seems too willing to re-examine your beliefs objectively. =========== From: TURTLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: Survival in BBS Date & Time: 10/19/90 16:12:21 Message Number 9842 >How about payment of $100 buckos a month? No can do. Actually, there's a couple of people looking at the Bug right now, so I may have it sold within the next few weeks. =========== From: TURTLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/19/90 16:14:02 Message Number 9843 >And I'm calling you a shithead. And I'm telling you to stop with the epithets, NOW. =========== From: TURTLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: BTC tm Date & Time: 10/19/90 16:15:26 Message Number 9844 >Oooh Turtle! Can I do this one? Be my guest. =========== From: TURTLE To: MMA Subject: CAFFINE Date & Time: 10/19/90 16:23:52 Message Number 9847 Toxic Shock (tm) is a beverage(?) made of equal parts instant coffee and sugar, with enough water added to make it semi-liquid. Disgusting stuff. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/19/90 18:10:40 Message Number 9848 SS>Just because Lettwind [heh, heh!]...sympathizes with flag-burners SS>doesn't mean he's a[n] Iraqi sympathizer. I bunch flag burners into one category: Anti-american. Further deponent sayeth not. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Toxins Date & Time: 10/19/90 18:20:22 Message Number 9849 T>Toxic Shot (tm) is a beverage(?) [I would use the word, 'slurry'] T>made of equal parts instant coffee and sugar... Hmmm. I thought the recipe called for something alcoholic, too? =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: RAVEN Subject: Survival in BBS Date & Time: 10/19/90 18:26:54 Message Number 9850 Thanks for the advise Raven. I'll try to keep that in mind. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/19/90 20:54:32 Message Number 9851 I don't. I am gravely concerned with the deteriorating freedom of this country, and if either of us is typical, it's you. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/19/90 20:55:50 Message Number 9852 MY overinflated ego? You are looking for someone to call things you yourself undeniably are... =========== From: SPELLWIND To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/19/90 20:57:00 Message Number 9853 Ah, I see the Specialist's little friend has found his balls. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/19/90 20:58:02 Message Number 9854 Hmm.. No, that's Spellwind. S - P - E - L - L Wind.... Shot Shit.... =========== From: SPELLWIND To: TURTLE Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/19/90 21:00:45 Message Number 9855 ME TOO! Maybe I should change my wording... =========== From: SPELLWIND To: TURTLE Subject: BTC tm Date & Time: 10/19/90 21:03:44 Message Number 9856 You already did though!!! =========== From: CORWYN To: SPELLWIND Subject: The Shadow Date & Time: 10/20/90 08:06:50 Message Number 9861 If it was entirely up to me, I'd be there now, and have a 24hr bbs up, however, my life is not working that way... I /may/ be back for the 90-91 school year.. depends upon new college??? Beleive me, decatur /sucks/ as far a bbs' there aren't any decent boards around here. - Corwyn =========== From: CORWYN To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/20/90 08:09:19 Message Number 9862 Poly-Sci 102 - Sequel to Poly Sci 101 Explanation - Political Science, 101 is for political and moral idiots, 102 means you have at least scrambled eggs for brains, and /might/ be able to understand something as abstacts as the knowledge that communism is /not/ in fact, the root of all evil, it's an ideal political system in a world with a bunch of power-hungry bastards, hence the system is compromised by the greedy. Freedom is more important than than a peive of funny colored nylon, aka - the flag, was the jist of my message. My point was that hating flag burners is asinine, it's kind of like hating the symbiotic bacteria which live in your intestinal tract, sure you can kill them, but you'll have diarhea for a month afterward. Kill/Imprison the flag burners, and you'll lose an important aspect of democracy, an system which is already a compromise. - Corwyn =========== From: CORWYN To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/20/90 08:15:22 Message Number 9863 > I would ahrdly call you humble (your enlightened views). PLEASE > Give me a break. Well, you may think I, in fact am small minded.. however, you seem to misunderstand the concepts of humor, I /was/ indeed flaming you for you (in my opinion) ignorant viewpoints, however, I was doing it sarcastic- ally, while at the same time attempting to explain that my vehement words were not meant to offend, merely to express strong feelings. I am sorry you were not able to comprehend my intent.. Keep working on the english language (as everyone does, including my self), and maybe you'll start to pick up on these subtleties. Boy, I've been an arrogant bastard again, haven't I?? - Corwyn =========== From: CORWYN To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/20/90 08:21:00 Message Number 9864 Excuse me, I certainly hope nobody died for our flag.. because if they did, frankly thay were stupid assholes. Burning a flag doesn't strike a blow for free speech, but banning /would/ strike a blow against our freedom of expression. The flag /is/ a symbol, it's /not/ the ideal, you can't burn an idea, you can only pervert it, which is what over- regulating this country would be, a perversion of the original concepts of freedom of expression, religion, and speech! - Corwyn =========== From: CORWYN To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: enlightened Date & Time: 10/20/90 08:24:33 Message Number 9865 Homosexuals, are people.. their sexual preferences are their concern, why? - Corwyn =========== From: CORWYN To: BEATLE Subject: Altr/Rlty Date & Time: 10/20/90 08:25:33 Message Number 9866 He will, and has been missed.. A sad moment in history.. Julian is a good singer, but /nobody/ could do justice to John's footsteps. - Corwyn =========== From: CORWYN To: TURTLE Subject: CAFFINE Date & Time: 10/20/90 08:27:06 Message Number 9867 Avoid hangovers.... stay drunk. - Corwyn (Still drunk at 7:25am, and proud of it!) =========== From: CORWYN To: TURTLE Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/20/90 08:28:15 Message Number 9868 Something like "We had a decent town, until you /federal/ people cam in with your laws [and made us stop burning crosses in lawns]" - Sick folks - Corwyn =========== From: CORWYN To: DRAGONFLY Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/20/90 08:30:06 Message Number 9869 Didn't make the connection of KKK & Nazi's, merely pointed out that we do, and /should/ put up with these bastards. As scummy as they are, they have a right to their own misguided viewpoint, as I said before, however much it sucks. - Corwyn =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SPELLWIND Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/20/90 17:14:51 Message Number 9874 SP>...and if either of us is typical, it's you. *sigh*. Even that was, predictably, typical. Let me put it into your terms: No tagbacks! Nya! .s =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: CORWYN Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/20/90 17:18:54 Message Number 9875 Re: you analogy of flag-burners/intestinal bacteria. While I may compare flag-burners (F/B) to bacteria to get the lower than scum parallel, I certainly would not choose to say that we need them in a like fashion. Your analogy is not an apt one...we could well survive without the F/Bs. We aren't dependent on them by any means, and ridding the country of thier parasitic influence could only benifit this country. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: CORWYN Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/20/90 17:23:35 Message Number 9876 Don't you hold *anything* sacred? =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: CORWYN Subject: enlightened Date & Time: 10/20/90 17:24:08 Message Number 9877 TS>What do you think of homosexuals? C>Homosexuals are people....thier sexual preferences are thier concern, Figures. =========== From: MAX To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Altr/Rlty Date & Time: 10/20/90 17:48:11 Message Number 9878 Quoting from a message to Turtle: > YOUR problem is that you *always* take an opinion for fact! And you don't? > When I say that Apples top the eight-bitters, I meant of all the more > common eight-bitters that *real people* used. As opposed to artificial people? Seriously, the amount of users a computer can claim has no bearing on its technical merit -- just the advertising resources of its manufacturer. If, say, someone has the opinion that the SB180FX is the best 8-bit computer ever made and can give you valid reasons why he believes that, the fact that you and 99% of the other people in the world haven't heard of the SB180FX doesn't make it any less of a computer. YOUR problem is that you *always* have a monumental chip on your shoulder now, and even when someone says something that isn't insulting (like asserting that the PC-Z is better than the Apple), or in some cases actually tries to post something friendly, you respond to it like an insult. I suppose I shouldn't be bothering to write this, since the last time I tried to write something more meaningful to you than "stop bitching about things you don't have experience with" you gave me a pretty damn rude verbal slap. If you perceive everything everybody says as an attack when they don't agree with you... sigh. Never mind. =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: CAFFINE Date & Time: 10/20/90 19:32:53 Message Number 9879 And Mountain Dew is helping me get through bowling on Saturday mornings ... it's almost physically impossible to go to sleep before midnight on Friday, so the Dew really helps when I get up at 8 AM Saturday... It does, however, seem to have side effects. I wanted to name our team the "Diet Dr. Dew Crew".... =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/20/90 19:35:30 Message Number 9880 > The new Trek still doesn't have much to compare with the "City on the > Edge of Forevver,"... Absolutely true. I have loved that episode ever since I first saw it. BUT, I have NEVER been dissatisfied with any TNG episodes, except a couple in the first two seasons. Even though I like the original, some of their episodes actually put me to sleep. I guess you could just say that the line between good and bad shows on the new is not as clear as such on the old series. =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: Altr/Rlty Date & Time: 10/20/90 19:40:21 Message Number 9881 > sheesh! Gee, give me a break. I'm stuck with a Commodore here! Anyway, I guess I asked for the response you gave... I always feel bad when yelled at. =========== From: BEATLE To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/20/90 19:42:43 Message Number 9882 > If you hate this country...that you feel justified only by burning the > flag, then, do us all a favor, and move to a different country. A) Rember: The idea, not the person. B) /I/ don't hate this country. /I/ would never burn the flag unless I was REALLY disenchanted with the country (and since I'm not now, it woul take a WHOLE lot to do that)... I feel that flag burning is a stupid thing. I don't really feel any sympathy for anyone who does (unless I REALLY agree with them). I merely believe that there should be no law saying you can't do it. =========== From: BEATLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Armag. Date & Time: 10/20/90 19:46:57 Message Number 9883 > knowing enough trivia to impress another person in casual conversation Well, there are always game shows. Yes, I agree. I do like impressing some people with useless knowledge. Others don't like it, but others use me as a resource. I'm one of those geeks that everyone comes to when they don't know what they are doing in school. =========== From: BEATLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/20/90 19:49:31 Message Number 9884 Okay, I'll give you the fact that we pledge allegiance to the country and not the flag or the nylon. But as I usually find with your arguments I can't relate at all, since my beliefs set the comparisons on even ground, whereas you have elevated one far above another. I don't think flag burners are showing disrespect, they're showing the fact that they don't like something about our country. Granted, some of them may go overboard... I just thought of something. It's sort of a debate related thing. Did you ever see "Born on the Fourth of July"? =========== From: BEATLE To: BURNEY Subject: STAR TREK Date & Time: 10/20/90 19:56:04 Message Number 9885 > Even in the midst of battle... Would you approve if YOU were captain? Troi doesn't interfere unless it's important. Also, since she is an empath, she is useful when dealing with other ships. =========== From: BEATLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: FLAG BURNING Date & Time: 10/20/90 20:00:40 Message Number 9886 > You don't have to love it, but don't... shout how much you hate it to > the world. So, in other words, if you like the country, tell everyone, and if you don't, shut up?? I'm sorry to say, but that pisses me off. One of the things that the country was founded on was the right to disapprove of the country or government in any form. =========== From: BEATLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: Troi Date & Time: 10/20/90 20:06:33 Message Number 9887 > HER NAME IS Marina Sirtis. Yes, but if I said "Marina Sirtis will be at Vulkon," some people wouldn't know what I was talking about. =========== From: BEATLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: stuff Date & Time: 10/20/90 20:09:45 Message Number 9888 Well, unfortunately, the first six issues are in a pretty rough shape. They prressively get better up to number seven, and everything from seven up is pretty much mint. Actually, pretty rough isn't too bad. The first ise is the roughest. It's got some indentions where I tried to trace the picture, and it's kinda wrinkled. =========== From: BEATLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/20/90 20:15:43 Message Number 9889 > *TO THE UNION FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION* Um, for one thing it says "to the REPUBLIC for which it stands", and for another, it says "AND to the republic" =========== From: DRAGONFLY To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Bashing Homos Date & Time: 10/20/90 23:24:05 Message Number 9890 >Stop giving him credit for bashing the Homos! That's *MY* line! Are you sure you want to be proud of that line? Anyway, you have excellent taste in your choice of character names! /Dragonfly/ =========== From: DRAGONFLY To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Objectivity Date & Time: 10/20/90 23:27:55 Message Number 9891 >A person who consumes great amounts of MD would not have an objective >opinion about MD... What was your point? My point, basically, was that matters of taste are not objective. What one person likes, another doesn't. In all matters of taste, we are biased. /Dragonfly/ =========== From: DRAGONFLY To: SPELLWIND Subject: ST:TNG Date & Time: 10/20/90 23:32:39 Message Number 9892 >As for Bash the Christians (tm), they deserve it. Let's get those >war god worshippers outta the world. I'm very confused. From the statements you've made earlier, it seemed that you worshipped Ares yourself. Why do Christians deserve to be bashed? And since when did they worship a war god? /Dragonfly/ =========== From: DRAGONFLY To: SPELLWIND Subject: Altr/Rlty Date & Time: 10/20/90 23:36:26 Message Number 9893 Thanks for the compliment! /Dragonfly/ =========== From: DRAGONFLY To: BURNEY Subject: Lifestyle Date & Time: 10/20/90 23:41:02 Message Number 9894 >If a person chooses to be or do those things listed above then they >are subject to the laws of the society that they are a partof. Now, I'm confused. In your earlier message, you claimed that "All people are entitled to live there life as they see fit." and now you're saying they're not. Should a justly imprisoned man be free to live his life as he sees fit? /Dragonfly/ =========== From: DRAGONFLY To: TURTLE Subject: Add another Date & Time: 10/20/90 23:47:55 Message Number 9895 Actually, I do like that George shut down the government for a few days when Congress couldn't find a budget. But, personally, I felt sorry when he re-started the government. /Dragonfly/ =========== From: DRAGONFLY To: TURTLE Subject: Flags & You Date & Time: 10/20/90 23:50:25 Message Number 9896 My dear sir, you misunderstood my note. What I meant was, one of your users defined conservative as members of KKK and Nazis. Should I do the same and define liberals by their more extremist groups? /Dragonfly/ =========== From: DRAGONFLY To: TURTLE Subject: Christian affai Date & Time: 10/20/90 23:54:29 Message Number 9897 A point-by-point response: >I find Christianity in general to be not terribly interesting and >slightly silly as religions go. Okay. I find it less silly than most newer religions, especially those associated with the New Age movement. But I can't argue in matters of taste. >The idea of being saved by murdering the diety you sin against doesn't >make a whole lot of sense. Again, I can't argue in matters of taste. But about a billion people emotionally feel or have felt that it makes sense in their lives. Other religions have had similar ideas. The idea of the Diety going away to save His or Her people occurs in myths world-wide. And in several, the Diety leaves through death. >Historically it doesn't have a track record I'd be proud of. Maintaining rough stability in Europe for almost a thousand years isn't something to be proud of? Being the basis for the majority of the world's culture for the next five hundred years isn't something to be proud of? Certainly, Christianity has had its faults -- but for a world religion, it certainly has done some great things. /Dragonfly/ =========== From: DRAGONFLY To: TURTLE Subject: Objectivity Date & Time: 10/21/90 00:04:47 Message Number 9898 >Taste is subjective. Thank you, sir! My philosophy in a nutshell. /Dragonfly/ =========== From: DRAGONFLY To: TURTLE Subject: Altr/Rlty Date & Time: 10/21/90 00:06:21 Message Number 9899 My dear sir, you completely missed my point. One of your users seemed to advocate that anyone should be permitted to do anything at any time. I wondered if he includes extremes in this idea. Should murderers, rapists, or thieves be allowed to do anything at any time? I was not comparing acts of violence with acts that hurt no one. /Dragonfly/ =========== From: DRAGONFLY To: TURTLE Subject: Flag burning Date & Time: 10/21/90 00:11:37 Message Number 9900 >We have somehow managed to survive for the last two hundred years >without a law against flag burning... I beg your pardon? At the time of the Supreme Court case, most of the states (I believe 48 of the 50) had laws against flag-burning. I'll check my sources once again. /Dragonfly/ ===========